Talk:Competitions

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Yari

Hey, there's a winner from the Rahi Contest, and this Rahi (a.k.a. "Yari") is not presented in the wiki. Why? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 14:50, 21 December 2016 (CET)

I suppose it didn't rank high enough to appear in BIONICLE: Rahi Beasts, thus it was not canonized. The letter says that the builder's prize was all the Vahki sets, no mention of Yari being included in RB.
--OnionShark 17:39, 21 December 2016 (CET)
Does anyone have the magazine where the contest was first announced? Maybe it explains the prize tiers. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:25, 21 December 2016 (CET)
I uploaded the image a little while ago. Looks like first place is different than grand prize. If we can keep planetperson's blog entry up as a reference, then that's probably where it should stay.
Edit: To clarify, it's like the Phantom situation, but just never got a mention, and so isn't any form of canon. -- Dorek Talk External Image 22:02, 21 December 2016 (CET)

Other Competitions

By the way, what's the policy on including other BIONICLE competitions that were hosted by the magazine but may not have been intended for canonization. Someone pointed this one out recently, and I was curious if it was worth adding. --Gonel (talk) 17:35, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

That one's on there! It's the Super Stronghold Building Challenge, in 2006, it just doesn't have a picture because I was worried about the page getting too cluttered. Really any competition that was featured in the magazine is fair game, third party ones (like Scholastic) are probably okay but I might want to review them first. -- Dorek Talk External Image 00:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

2006 Bionicle Heroes Design a Mask Competition

Was looking for info about this here on BS01 and pretty much everywhere else but couldn't find anything. Luckily managed to dig deeper and found the following info. There was a European competition hosted from the 4th to 24th August 2006 where you could design your own mask based off the Piraka/Skakdi design, hosted on www.bioniclecomp.com. The winner of the mask was then added to the game as the second-to-last Gold Canister badge (not sure if there were regional differences here as the competition was Europe only..?), and they also received a real gold kanohi (apparently). Below are some resources/images I've gathered that refer to the competition (not all of them are probably worth putting on the page.. but nice to compile everything)

Anyway, may be worth adding this for future reference. It's relieving to know now that this isn't something I dreamt or made up! I'm sure others may be thinking the same :) (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Smokyzen)

This is awesome, thanks for doing that research! We've always known it exists but it'll be great to add this to the page. -- Dorek Talk 04:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Glad to know it didn't go forgotten :) Do we know if the .swf file for the mask designer was ever backed up somewhere? BMP doesn't seem to have bioniclecomp.com archived, and archive.org only has a broken landing page. --Smokyzen (talk) 18:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Hmm, I doubt it, but can check around. -- Dorek Talk 18:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Looks like the mask designer was also available at bionicleheroes.com and was archived by BMP: https://biomediaproject.com/bmp/data/sites/bionicleheroes/bionicleheroes/goodies.swf. Clicking the star in the right hand column shows the winning design from before it was redrawn for the game. Jointdog (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Canonicity

I have some questions and concerns regarding what we consider to be canon. First off, I know that there has been a refusal to add the resurfaced image that was allegedly the winning entry for Phantom anywhere on his page, as the appearance of him is not considered canon, but we include other original entry submission photos on the other winners, so why is he different? Furthermore, the way they look in the submission photos is considered their canon, in-universe appearance, so why isn't Phantom or the Rock Lion(if we have the original picture) the same? 2nd, should we include non-canonized Rahi submission, particularly those who won, on the Non-Canon Rahi page? I understand if we don't, but even with these images possibly being linked somewhere or even uploaded to this site, they are very often near-impossible to find, even if you know their name or what contest they are from. 3rd, do we have an image of the Rock Lion? Are the images or descriptions of Life&Death Jr., Lyger2000, Mischief Mecha, and Tairo's winning submissions still lost? And what about all the other contests that have no images to be found here on BS01, both winning and non-winning entries? Should we try to upload what we can? dowe need to clear usage rights with the creators, or were the usage rights legally given up or set when they submitted the photos? Should we also extend this to the highlighted Build of the Week MOCs? 4th, which of these contests include canonization as a prize? I want to know for all the ones that don't specify, but the (uncited) information that when trying to get the winners of the Prisoners of the Pit competition canonized seems like it might mean that the models and possibly stories could have been canonized, making it of particular interest.

Sorry for the huge and hard-to-respond-to comment, but I didn't know if this should be split up into a bunch of topics or not, and I wanted to get it all out there, especially since I don't want to forget this(I have already forgetten parts of this as I a am writing this). Firespitter Lhii (talk) 20:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Phantom - It has nothing to do with it being canon or not, it has to do with the word you used, "allegedly". There is no definitive proof that it is Phantom. If anything, the evidence points more towards it being one of the other two Dark Hunter entries that also did not make into the book. The contest had 35 winners, and unlike the Rahi contest, inclusion in the book was one of the prices. 29 entries made it into the book. A further 3 were published in Magazines, and finally, Phantom was included in BEU. We have Casey's perspective on what happened with his entry, as well as the backstory which he submitted for it, and neither corroborate it being Phantom. The backstory does not match at all (for comparison, we also have Primal's, which is nearly exactly the same), and what Greg said about Phantom's omission does not match up.
Regarding Rahi, sure, we can put those on the non-canon page.
Rock Lion etc. no, we don't have images of them. As far as I know, they're lost media.
The Rahi one did not. The Toa (Krakua) and Dark Hunter ones did. The canonization of the Prisoners of the Pit models is likely lost to time, as that was done by BIONICLE Story Squad. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Question: if the Dark Hunter entries are canon, then could the images of Casey's DH be included on the Dark Hunter gallery, as an unnamed Dark Hunter? --Willess12 (talk) 22:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

They are canon I think, and I would have no problem doing that (and imo the other winning Rahi entries too), but the problem with the images we have is that they weren't officialy done by Lego. Pekel's Tunnel Stalker image was removed from the infobox for that reason (I disagree with it, but it is what it is). Dag (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Kaenarahk

When I first found Mischief Mecha's Rahi entry "Kaenarahk," I looked for the images attached in his BZP forum on the Wayback Machine, but they turned up nothing. At the time I added it to the page, I left it at that. However, I realized there may still be a (slight) chance they were archived. The URLs of the images linked in the forum are:

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MischiefMecha/Bionicle/Kaenarahk/002.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MischiefMecha/Bionicle/Kaenarahk/003.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MischiefMecha/Bionicle/Kaenarahk/004.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MischiefMecha/Bionicle/Kaenarahk/005.jpg

However, for anyone familiar with Brickshelf, these are not typical URLs for the site. It more often uses parameters (m = members, f = folders, i = images). So, while http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/MischiefMecha/Bionicle/ was never archived on the Wayback machine, http://brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=77196 was (archived link). This also shows that the Kaenarahk folder was not created by April 16. This is consistent with Mischief Mecha's intention of entering it into BBC 18, which required the entry not to have been published before May 1. The folder and image IDs on Brickshelf increase chronologically, so, theoretically, we could search every folder and image timestamped between May 1 and May 19 till we find it (or don't). I alone simply don't have the time or patience to do that, so I'm putting this out there if anyone wants to or find a better way do it (or, someone could just get in contact with Mischief Mecha and ask if he still has the pictures). Dag (talk) 22:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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