BIONICLEsector01:Member Opinions Hub/Archive 2

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Contents 1 The Did you know corner 2 Matoran Tools 3 Current Timeline 4 FC and CoTW 5 Need Better Image 6 Skins 7 Pages Requiring Attention 8 Domes Images 9 Matoran Universe 10 Image 11 Example Usage for Toa Tools 12 Mind42 13 Forum 14 Teridax 15 Staff edits 16 Articles for creation 17 New Members 18 Ranking 19 Signiture Guidelines 20 Official Greg Discussion 21 BionicleWriter 22 FoF Template 23 More on personalities 24 Bitil Info 25 IPA 26 Criticism 27 Staff Appreciation 28 Just End This! 29 Set Pages 30 Not Needed 31 Citing BZP-exclusive information 32 Protection 33 New Pages is Flawwed 34 "Recent Changes" Filters 35 Silver Masks 36 Userpages for New Members

The Did you know corner

Some of the guys in the new skin contest had some great ideas like 'did you know'. Why not put them on the main page? (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Hangbin.)

Bioran said it "failed horribly". But it doesn't HAVE too. ;__; ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(SPARTA!/_{UBs! :O)} 08:36, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Matoran Tools

should there be a template for matoran tools?Trilak ^{(Talk|Contribs)}

I think we had one, but it was deleted. So no. ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE FOR ME! LAST CHANCE!)} 12:12, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

Current Timeline

How about a section on the main page showing the recent Bionicle Timeline event? (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Hangbin.)

FC and CoTW

shouldn't there now be a featured article of the week and shouldn't the collabiration of the week be changed, it has been longer than a week.Rusty 13:02, 8 January 2008 (PST)

Not sure what's going on with the CFC department currently, but it's true that it's been delayed quite a lot. I will pass this on to the CFC staff. ~ ^Talk - Home - _{[[User:Bioran23/Userpage}

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Need Better Image

I think that every page with Template:Needbetimg on its talkpage should have a description of the image needed, because most of those pages don't have an existing better image. Masketh-Kahn (^Talk/_{Contributions}) 10:00, 13 January 2008 (PST)

Good idea. I will pass that on. :) ~ Talk Design ~

Skins

I say that the wiki looks too much like wikipedia and should get some good skins.-biomeister

Another good idea. Unfortunately, skins takes a long time and are very difficult to make, therefore, there probably won't be a skin anytime soon. :( ~ Talk Design ~

It may just be this computer, but when I logged on the old skin popped up, not the new one.(help)(Neoxis)

You need to refresh your cache. Try pressing CTRL + F5. :) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(SPARTA!/_{UBs! :O)}14:36, 2 April 2008 (PDT)

Pages Requiring Attention

My opinion is that all of the Pages Requiring Attention should have a discription of what needs adding, because pages like Cargo Hauler, Disk Launcher, and Tower of Thought have no more existing information. ~Masketh-Kahn (^Talk/_{Contributions}\ ^Sandbox) 17:21, 29 January 2008 (PST)

That would help a great deal... Hmm. I could get to work on it now, I suppose. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 15:53, 1 February 2008 (PST)

Hey, also could the higher-ups go over some pages considered stubs and re-evaluate their position. I can't add anything more to some of them and i am afraid to figure out how to get them off stub status without authorization.~Tomana

The pages there need to be reviewed, that's for sure. TNU ^{(Talk| My Contribs| Sig Shop)} 09:14, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Domes Images

Hi out there.

I'm not sure if I should be asking my question here, but I had no idea where else to go. I am sorry if I do something wrong.

My question is: whatever happened to the CGI images(there was some supurb CGI artwork of Mata Nui's relation the the Bionicle world that I saw fairly recently) and the artwork of the Matoran universe, the scales/proportions of the lands relative to other islands(like Mata Nui/Metru Nui/Domes), and the art concepts of the Domes' layout? These were, at least in my humble opinion, excellently made and provided a clear depiction of the universe that Bionicle takes place in. Can they please be restored? Thank you. BionicleWriter 18:14, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Methinks you should find them here. :) ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^{(My talk}/_{Your talk)} 18:16, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Cholie,

Thank you for giving me a reply so quickly, but I have searched that section thoroughly. I also checked the locations/Matoran universe/planet surface articles linked to it. The exceptional concept images that I saw previously are no longer there, and I was disappointed to find them gone. BionicleWriter 18:28, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Hmm, you're right. :/ I think there on a sub page. Hang on, searching.... ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^{(My talk}/_{Your talk)} 18:31, 29 January 2008 (PST)

The page containing those images has been re-written and the use of the images has been abandoned because they were speculational images created by members. The pictures, however, can still be found here. ~ Talk Design ~

Again, thank you all for the help. I didn't expect to have this resolved so quickly. So, those images will not be used here anymore? They aren't accurate enough? If not, I will save them on my own computer. BionicleWriter 18:42, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Yes, that's correct. We only allow official images. ;) ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^{(My talk}/_{Your talk)} 18:44, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Matoran Universe

Okay. I just have one more question for now: what exactly needs to be added to the Matoran Universe article for it to be considered finished? Goodnight, BionicleWriter 18:51, 29 January 2008 (PST)

A background history and more information about the universe. :) ~ Talk Design ~

I'm sorry, but I could not think of or retrieve any more information for that article (Matoran Universe/Planet Surface). I don't really see what is missing. Just curious, but if I were to print that entry out to give to a friend, would there be a great deal of information that he would be missing out on? BionicleWriter 14:54, 31 January 2008 (PST)

Don't worry, it's not all on you to provide information. That's what the rest of us are here for. ;) Uno (Dos/Tres/¿Qué?)

Image

Just so that you know, on the main page of the wiki, the matoran language that says BS01 wiki is in jpg format, which pretty much ruins the image. I'd suggest saving it as a gif or png.

Minor detail: Also on the main page there is a part telling people to [b]pease[/p] edit the pages listed here.

(spelling).(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Terakk.)

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Hello again, While browsing about the website (particularly the Kanohi), I noticed that the pictures of the Voya Nui Online Game's versions of the Toa Inika's Konohi were no longer displayed. I feel awkward being the one to note the removal of pictures again, but I thought these were a good reference to a secondary mask appearance. If they will not be put up on Bioniclesector again, is there a place that I can retrieve them for myself? BionicleWriter 17:34, 7 February 2008 (PST)

I think we still have them, but on more appropriate pages. >> ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^(Yo/_:D) 17:35, 7 February 2008 (PST)

Okay, I think...yes, now I found them. Just curious, why were they moved? Were they not offical? BionicleWriter 17:47, 7 February 2008 (PST)

No, we only allow official images. ;) My guess is that they were moved due to being from a non-canon source. ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^(Yo/_:D) 17:48, 7 February 2008 (PST)

Thank you again, ~dr. ChOlIe. I will continue to look around the articles a little later. BionicleWriter 18:01, 7 February 2008 (PST)

Example Usage for Toa Tools

>_> I honestly don't know why I am here. But I do have an idea. Why not add example usage for Toa Tools to their respective Toa Tool page? Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)} 22:48, 9 February 2008 (PST)

Makes sense, I suppose. --Wrinkledlion X 22:49, 9 February 2008 (PST)

For example, Lhikan's Toa Tools, the Great Fireswords. They were combined to form a shield, or Airboard, if you will. Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)} 22:51, 9 February 2008 (PST)

Sounds good. ~Jester Lih

I know. Makes sense. --Wrinkledlion X 22:52, 9 February 2008 (PST)

Sounds like a good idea. -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)}

We don't have to limit the example usage to Toa Tools. Anyone's weapons really is perfectly legit. Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)} 18:04, 10 February 2008 (PST)

I'll go for it. :D ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^(Yo/_:D) 18:06, 10 February 2008 (PST)

Shall I get my Kakama and begin?TNU ^{(Talk | My Contribs)} 18:06, 10 February 2008 (PST)

That would be excellent. XD Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)} 18:08, 10 February 2008 (PST)

(Puts on Kakama and activates it) Wooosh! XD. TNU ^{(Talk | My Contribs)} 18:10, 10 February 2008 (PST)

Um... I think what they're used for would count as example usage, correct? In which case, all pages aleady have that I believe. TNU ^{(Talk | My Contribs)} 18:21, 10 February 2008 (PST)

I wouldn't say that because it might not have happened in the story. Such as Jovan's Toa Tool. How we know it's been used in such a way? Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)}

It's quite hard actually to give the usage without being redundant, which I think should be avoided. TNU ^{(Talk | My Contribs)} 18:24, 10 February 2008 (PST)

I think uses should be given for special cases, like Whenua's Drills and the crab. Uno (Dos/Tres/¿Qué?)

Mind42

So, I just want to propose an idea to link the gaps better: Mind42.

The idea is to, using mindmaps, we can also display our ideas in a reasonable way, with the possibilities of the ideas listed out.

Just an idea of course... ~ Talk Design ~

Forum

I don't know how this Wiki is related to BZP, but one thing I believe is that this Wiki should have it's own forum. Polls.. votes.. even deciding the CoTW, and the FC can be easier if we have our own Wiki forum. I'm not saying saying anything bad about the "quick-speak" function. I just think it would be alot more easier if we had it. Blurrz 22:03, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Unfortunately, that would mean loosing our relationship with BZP. And we need that. :O Talk pages have always worked well for us, so I doubt a change would be necessary, but thanks for the offer. :) ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^(Yo/_{UBs! :O)} 22:10, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Ah.. that's not what I meant. What I meant is that we should have a forum regarding the things we do here. But of course.. I guess there's nothing more worse than losing relations with BZP. Blurrz 22:18, 29 February 2008 (PST)

We have one on BZP for news updates, and that's all we really need. Talk pages work fine here, so I see no reason to change. ~Jester Lih

Teridax

Since you guys blocked Teridaxs page, you should update the pronounciation. teh-ri-dacks confirmed by Greg (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Kohliace.)

Also, we now know how the Mahri were able to drive Teridax out of Matoro's body: they threatened to kill it. weird, huh? (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Kohliace.)

Staff edits

I read somewhere that someone got banned for reverting a staff member's edit. I don't see how we would know and would like to know how we could figure that out. ~~Tomana

Simple, by looking at the page's history. (Example) :) ~dR. ChOlIe™ ^(Yo/_{UBs! :O)} 14:54, 1 March 2008 (PST)

Please note that nobody has been banned for simply reverting staff edits. That is not grounds to be banned. It is when a member disrespects a staff member and openly defies them that there is a chance of being banned. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 14:57, 1 March 2008 (PST)

Thanks!~~Tomana

Articles for creation

If we have the AfD page, wouldn't it make sense to have a page for creating them, so that we don't have to use talk pages, not for large articals, like a new character. It could be the same as the AfD page but with some of the text changed to make sense. --Voya Nui Toa 11:05, 2 March 2008 (PST)

That's certainly a good idea. I will pass this onto Swert for approval. :) i _IS ^TerIDAx!

I just don't see a need. Normally, a page is made and we all decide from then on if it's necessary. If there is a "new" character added to BIONICLE, it's added here. Simple fact ^_^ -- ^{Owner (Talk / BS01)} 22:20, 3 March 2008 (PST)

What I mean is smaller pages, like a minor battle, pages like that. It would allow the whole community to decide.--Voya Nui Toa 23:28, 3 March 2008 (PST)

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Hey,

I have a suggestion concerning the Makuta (being) article. Wouldn't it be better to redirect to 'Makuta (being)' or 'Makuta of Metru Nui', when someone clicks on a link to the character's article? Right now, the reader is directed straight to the name "Teridax". Instead, can that name be given in the trivia section, rather than the article title? I suppose this could be helpful for those who do not want to know Makuta's name, and since he has simple been known as "Makuta" for so long.

Also, I have a quick question about something other. Why, for some articles, are pictures from the movies used for characters? Their use sometimes seems a little awkward. As all characters are not depicted in the movies' style, I believe that it would be more consistent to avoid using those kinds of pictures as the main ones in articles, except when it is absolutely necessary, like when showing an item/place, for example. Have a good day, BionicleWriter 12:39, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Well, it's all over the place anyways. So not much can be done. :P

And we have revised the image rules, and are trying not to use as many movie images. But sometimes, the movie images are the only good ones we have. ;) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(Yo/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 12:42, 3 March 2008 (PST)

The movie pic thing is troubling and annoying. I hope the case changes next year, since a new movie is coming out and also for the two years afterwards. You _no ^Bioran!

New Members

I think that this Wiki should be alot more active in putting New Members in the right direction. Everyone who joins obviously has the desire to make this Wiki the best it can be, but when I first joined, I had no idea what was going on. Sure, I knew some stuff from Wikis I worked at before, but only minor things, like signing your opinions with 4 ~'s. I was so confused when it came to making my own User Page. I had no idea what to do either. Heck, I didn't even see that Welcome Sign till about a week after I joined! (Ah.. What's Quick-Speak? :P). Now obviously the fact that I was confused was due to me being lazy, but I'm pretty sure most New Members feel the same way. I'm not saying I was turned off by the fact that no one wanted me to become active, it's just that no one went out of their way to help me get to know the place better.

And... I think when a Mod Reverts a Page to it's previous carving, the Mod should say why they did that . Sometimes I don't even know why it's been reverted. :(. Oh, and can someone help me with setting up a signature? Thanks Blurrz 19:05, 4 March 2008 (PST)

On the revert note, A revert happens in one click, so it's impossible to write a summary. v.v Instead, you can ask the mod who reverted why, I always do that, even now. :P And we've had mutable cases of members who have not read the Lexicon beforehand, and therefore don't know about the Quick-Speaks, so I was planning to ask Swert to change the message. That alone should help new members. Thanks. :) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(Yo/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 19:12, 4 March 2008 (PST)

I'll try to add a bit more helpfullness to my custom welcome template, but not that many members will recieve it... Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

I see the troubles you are experiencing there. I will certainly bring this up to Swert. :) You _no ^Bioran!

Ranking

Hey,

I was thinking. Should BS01 have a way to keep track of good and bad members? Sort of like the Proto System on BZPower. Just a thought. (~((Synergy)}-{(Talk)}-{(Contributions))~)

Well, there is a log of banned members. :) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 13:07, 7 March 2008 (PST)

He means like awards... Staff could give out things to members, which they could put on their UP. Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

Although I don't find it right to judge others like that. :/ ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 13:14, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Perhaps an edit meter. A staffie gives someone an edit upgrade, and their edit meter increases. How about that? --TNU ^{(Talk| My Contribs)} 13:16, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Not really tamper proof. I mean, you COULD make it so, but it's not worth it. ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 13:19, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Yea...--TNU ^{(Talk| My Contribs)} 13:19, 7 March 2008 (PST)

If you wanted to do it, it wouldn't be hard. Just make a rule that if you mess with the edit meter, you get a warning, the second time your meter goes bye-bye. Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

It's generally bad policy to steal from another site. >_> -Shine

So yeah, we don't want them on our case. :P ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 13:23, 7 March 2008 (PST)

I'm thinking you don't want a ranking system, because you could alter it as to not having it be too similar if you liked the idea, am I right? :P Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

Ah. I see. But, like I said, just a idea that poped in my head. (~((Synergy)}-{(Talk)}-{(Contributions))~)

Signiture Guidelines

I think we should have a limit on the number of characters in a sig rather than lines, because of differing screen-sizess, etc. If we do characters, it wouldn't be variable. Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

Don't have any Signature Guidlines! Am I right or am I right?:P XD Exo Malakai: Master of Heat and Flame 乐 (^Quickspeak|^{Contributions}|^{Signature Styles})

That's no good, or someone may have one like this:

Cholie the amazing so and so of this and that and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

And it would be allowed cause there would be no rules. Also, I think it should stay at lines, cause the purpose isn't KBs, but just having to sift through all that coding is annoying. What we should do is settle on WHAT size screen counts. ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 14:27, 7 March 2008 (PST)

I like that Siggy..:P XD Exo Malakai: Master of Heat and Flame 乐 (^Quickspeak|^{Contributions}|^{Signature Styles})

And what lines are we talking about?
If it's the sifting your worrried about, we could always just have people link to a template, like User:Kraahlix/Sig, that would prevent a lot of sifting. Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

I know that, but it seems like everyone dislikes that. :( ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOOOOOOTE! =O)} 14:33, 7 March 2008 (PST)

Well you could just make it a r4ule ;P Kraahlix -- Talk * Vote for me! *

Could you possibly make the signature timestamp automatic? It's annoying when I keep forgetting it. =P --Blue Shark 17:15, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

Possibly, but it'd open up a can of worms. :( ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE FOR ME! LAST CHANCE!)} 18:17, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

Could you make it unautomatic? I find it annoying when I do use it! --Spring's here! TNU ^{(Talk| My Contribs| Sig Shop)} 18:52, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

Um... just put three ~s instead of four. :P ^{(Contribs!/Vote!/Talk!)}

Official Greg Discussion

If a certain piece of information is found on BZPower and and nowhere else, then may a link to the relevant topic be added? (The preceding unsigned comment was made by The Lord of the Masks.)

No. -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)}

You may link it onto the talkpage, but not the actual page itself. :) You _no ^Bioran!

What he's talking about is more of this sourcing business, which he already knows we oppose. As we've said before, we do not officially source things here, but a member must be prepared to show the staff the source of any questioned piece of info he adds. -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)}

BionicleWriter

Hey,

For a while, I have been searching for the dialogue for the Bionicle flash movies, but could not find them. Before I continue, I want to ask: is there any reason that the text is not showing up now? It's sad to see those original movies without the speech. BionicleWriter 10:21, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

It's your PC. Darnzerf says he can see it, and GB1 too. But I can't, so it's out problem. =/ If you'd like, I can find you a download, with the text. ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE! FOR! ME! NOW! =O)} 10:25, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

That is odd. What could be causing the problem on only a select computers?

P.S. Wow, sure, it would be very nice to have the episodes with text again. The downloads you mention--would I have to access them from the computer's desktop once they are downloaded?

I'm busy at the moment, so I will come back a little later, BionicleWriter 11:12, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

mR. cHoLiE™,

I am available again. How exactly were you going to show me how/where to download the movies? Is it alot of trouble for you? BionicleWriter 13:39, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

Oh, yeah. :3 I'll find the Topic, hold on... ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE! FOR! ME! NOW! =O)} 13:48, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

Here. :) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE! FOR! ME! NOW! =O)} 18:27, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

Thanks, Mr. CHoLiE! I will need to make that a “Favorite” once I am on the right computer. (When I download the movies, will they appear on the desktop or somewhere else?)

Another question for any willing to answer: What is the “Featured Chronicle” for? BionicleWriter 13:47, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

Not sure where they'll go, but mine are on the desktop. You should be able to control where it is placed, however. :) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE! FOR! ME! NOW! =O)} 13:54, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

FoF Template

I think we should have one. :) (You know, to put at the bottom of Brutaka and co's pages...) Lair (^{Cheese and Crackers}/_{Dastardly Schemes}) 18:19, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

• I agree(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Vidkid.)
• I also agree about this. Tacoe

More on personalities

Vidkid. In my personal opinion, Biosector01 is neglecting to go into details about the characters personalities and deleting personality updates made by other members. e.g. when I tried updating on mutran's personality every one of my edits got deleted.

Please remember to post complaints on the BIONICLEsector01:Member Opinions Hub/Complaint Center in the future.

As for the personalities, your edits may have been reverted because another staff member thinks it is unnecessary. You should go and ask (nicely) the said staff member who reverted your edit. You _no ^Bioran!

Bitil Info

Greg has left some more info on Bitil: [Removed. :O -C] User:Kohilaice

Sorry, no Summer spoilers yet. ;) ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE! FOR! ME! NOW! =O)}

IPA

I was wondering, should we start using the IPA to represent spelling? Aquastus ^{Koro-page | Quick-speak} 05:40, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Criticism

It's 16 days before April Fools, so come on; we all know this is a prank. What Swert is "planning" is an April Fools prankout for those of us expecting him to carry out his "plans". --Wikipirate 14:18, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Now, why would we want to pull a prank so early? ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(OBJECTION!/_{VOTE FOR ME! LAST CHANCE!)} 14:20, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Buildup.--Wikipirate 15:45, 16 March 2008 (PDT)

Quote: Basically, this is an ARG, leading up to our first April Fools prank. What do we do here? Good question. You'll learn as the rest of BS01 learns. But this may creep you out. Vahki logo? V? White Ussals? What gives?

Simple. I came up with the idea of revealing in an Alternate Reality Game what we're doing. This way, you can solve it on your own. Plus, it's much more fun.

Now, I will remind people. It's a game. Does it creep you out? Then I have done my job.

I will add to this page as more "information" is revealed. Keep in mind -nothing- on this page is a clue. None of it. I'm serious. Please enjoy BS01's first ARG and April Fools deal. This does not in any way, shape, or form mean you can't enjoy it for knowing what it is. But at least you know I won't go psycho.

Much. --Non-BS01 Image Owner (Talk / BS01)

OH! Who was right on ALL accounts! Buildup for April 1, leading up to April fools; Swert is "planning" an April Fools prankout, our first April Fools prank; etc. --Wikipirate 19:17, 25 March 2008 (PDT)

Staff Appreciation

We should have a staff appreciation day, and it is up to us members if we're going to have one. *Rallies trrops* Now who's with me? -Kraahlix

Ya! :D ^{(Contribs!/Sandbox!/Talk!)}

I was told we are also to decide when to have it... So we will decide that if we get enough enthusiastic "yes"s. WHO'S WITh ME? :P -Kraahlix

OK... How many do we need? >_< -Kraahlix

Um... Yes! Aquastus ^{Koro-page | Quick-speak} 13:57, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

...Yeah... Exo Malakai: Master of Heat and Flame 乐 (^Quickspeak|^{Contributions}|^{Signature Styles})

Yeah, it's a great idea. Gravitan seemed affected by the lack of appreciation of the staff before he retired. Aravagantos | ^¡¿?!/_ñ 17:42, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

I'm for it, yes! ~Masketh-Kahn (^Talk/_{Contributions}\ ^Sandbox) 17:48, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Yes...~~~★ΣД†Д ΩŰ¡^☺ †Д|ĸς †ø ￥øŰ !★

Yes Avagarantos, but I did bring up some good points, as members tend to think of staff as lucky to have their privelages rather than sacrificial. But even in the small time I was on staff, I realised that it is a tougher job than it looks, and it would be great to show some appreciation to the people who work long and hard to keep us and this wiki safe. -Kraahlix

Ask Swert. -Shine

His PMs are full and talk is locked. -Kraahlix

I asked him for you. -Shine

Agreed. We should have a Staff Appreciation Day. Go Staff! --Bold Clone (Bla, bla, bla...|Business) 10:31, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

IC: Why should there be one day? You should always appreciate us!

OOC: IMO, we don't need it, guys. I mean, we do a job. Do we need the appreciation? Sure, it'd be nice, but really a nice "thank you" does go a long way in my book anyway. The others may feel different. -- ^{Owner (Talk / BS01)} 10:59, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Oh. Alright then. -Kraahlix

Just End This!

Listen, this whole "V" thing is seriously ruining the tone of the wiki. First the Ussal, then the terminal, then the background, and now WIKI-NUI!?? I actually had to Ad-Block the background image! Can't Swert and V just call a truce and move on? The wiki's natural beauty is suffering for it! This wiki-scheme should be destroyed! Or at least painted a different color.--Wikipirate 23:02, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

It's Swert's fault that we have this awful background. V and I are fighting for the true Wiki Nui, and that include the background. ~Lih

STOP DISSCUSING V AND START EDITING!!!^{SPEAKS TO YOU!}

Lih is staff... Staff can do what they want. Not take orders from members like us. ^^ Exo Malakai: Master of Heat and Flame 乐 (^Quickspeak|^{Contributions}|^{Signature Styles})

Kay, don't take it seriously. It is only a matter of oppinion if you like the backgound, etc. after all. -Kraahlix

...Okay... Exo Malakai: Master of Heat and Flame 乐 (^Quickspeak|^{Contributions}|^{Signature Styles})

Once again, I wasn't talking to you, Exo :P -Kraahlix

...Thought not... XD Exo Malakai: Master of Heat and Flame 乐 (^Quickspeak|^{Contributions}|^{Signature Styles})

Then who were you talking to?^{SPEAKS TO YOU!}

Wikipirate. He seems to be against the changes in appearance of the wiki, and I was reminding him that it was oonly a matter of personal prefference. -Kraahlix

I am as displeased by this as you are. Unfortunately, Swert is determined to hold this game of his 16 days before April Fools (<_<) so we will have to bear with it for a bit more. You _no ^Bioran!

"This wiki-scheme should be destroyed! Or at least painted a different color" Too much Spongebob. :P Castle (^{Round Table}/Tapestry)

Yes, ok, this fight is apparently valid now, my only concern is that the Wiki will attract less people. Plus, I don't think Swert and V will ever end this war... until Swert "does" whatever he's going to do. You know. The thing that V says will imminently doom the wiki. That he can't tell us about. Because of Swert. And his omnipotently enormous amount of optical organs.--Wikipirate 18:25, 20 March 2008 (PDT)

Set Pages

I'm wondering, why aren't there set pages? Like.. for each year? Blurrzzzzzzz -- Talk

Uhh, what would be the point in that? Besides, we're a story wiki, not a set one. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 14:45, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

Not Needed

- If I may voice an opinion, erasing edits on account of 'not being needed', I do an edit is not sufficiant enough, than it should be Improved not taken away. (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Vidkid.)

What exactly is your opinion, then? You didn't really finish the first sentence. Granted, based on the second sentence, I assume this is a complaint about reverting edits... But I'd just like to be sure.

Now...No, not really. Sometimes things really just aren't needed. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 14:36, 24 March 2008 (PDT)

-I would just like to know what I am doing wrong!:c (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Vidkid.)

For starters, sign your name whenever you make a comment. ;) That can easily be done by just typing four tildes: ~~~~

Now, I went over your contributions, and the only thing I saw substantial as being removed was your revision to Spiriah's personality. As Bioran was the one who reverted that, you would have to ask him why he did what he did. (Generally, though, capitalization and grammar helps a lot.) --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 15:33, 28 March 2008 (PDT)

Citing BZP-exclusive information

May external links to relevant pages in Official Greg Discussion be used in cases where the information is not available anywhere else? Also, can footnotes be added in the "Appearances" section of each page to explain when and where specific events happened?

Here's an example (not perfectly formatted, but you get the idea):

The Matoran of Le-Koro were controlled by a Nuhvok swarm at one time.*[1]

Appearances

• [1](links to relevant pages)

The Lord of the Masks 08:53, 29 March 2008 (PDT)

No

Footnotes = sources, and we've already said countless times that we will not start doing this. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 09:14, 29 March 2008 (PDT)

I accept the fact that the staff does not allow references, but I still strongly object to the de facto ban on references. Can I start a petition on BZPower, or are petitions prohibited there?

Also, can members be banned for being strongly opposed to staff decisions? The Lord of the Masks 06:29, 30 March 2008 (PDT)

Petitions are not allowed there, and if you post one, we'll ban you here.

Yes, they can be banned for actively opposing staff decisions. It's disrespectful, unconstructive, pointless, and annoying. You can oppose our decisions privately, but do not start a huge campaign publicly. -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Actually, petitions are allowed. I started a rather large one before, and I wasn't banned. ;)

Anyways, if you want to oppose staff decisions, you can. However, keep in mind that these complaints must be presented constructively and must be placed in the Complaint Center. Trust ⁱⁿ _{Crystal Matrix's} rule

No, Bioran, people cannot go around opposing the staff. It's not gonna happen without some punishment. We have given LoTM a firm answer repeatedly, and we are not changing it; so for him to try to petition us into adding refs is an act of open defiance and will not be tolerated. -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Umm... I support Bioran's view. Is passive resistance and/or disagreement considered open defiance? (The preceding unsigned comment was made by The Lord of the Masks.)

Well, you've been pushing for them for a while now, even after we said no. So this can count as defiance, yes. You may add your source in a summary or on the article's talk page, preferably immediately after you make the edit, otherwise: no. ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(SPARTA!/_{UBs! :O)} 15:18, 4 April 2008 (PDT)

Protection

As has been pointed out on Swert's talk (under "Staff Shortage"), I, and others, think that there is just that. I'm going to say pretty much the same thing, but stuf on Swert's talk can get a little confused, seems how he gets so many scatterred messages.
IMO, the wiki is't as protected as it used to be, and should be. Vandals are hitting hard recently, and if we want to claim to be a family-friendly wiki, I think it is time to take some steps to ensure that there will be a trusted member with at least sysop on for as much time as possible. I know Erebus is taking sign-ups, but who knows how long until a valid and trustworthy one comes along? No offence to the members, but looking around, I only see a small amount of people that I would trust with the job (yes, that was nuetral). I've been the only one around with a vandal once or twice, and it was not fun. These people have dynamics and proxies, we should be much more secure... Don't get me wrong, our staff do an amazing job, but of course - there are times when they aren't on.
I present the idea that the staff make a group of members that are not staff, and still have to follow all rules that members do. That do have (most likely only) sysop, and are instructed and trusted to use it only to take care of vandals when no staff are on. A high level of trust has to be given to these people, that they wouldn't go off and edit the main page or something. Jut think about it, maybe even try it out. If there are people here that you trust like that, it may be a good sulotion.
EDIT: Oh, and IP addresses would be given to Swert thtough PM, email or in the way that he and I established. -Kraahlix

Like, another CVU, but with sysop powers? Aravagantos | ^¡¿?!/_ñ 09:04, 30 March 2008 (PDT)

I can't allow that, Kraa. That requires modifying Wiki code to include a new group, which would be able to check edits and block users, but not edit the protected pages. You're asking for a pretty big thing here.

I'll do what I can, but I can't do it right now. -- ^{Owner (Talk / BS01)}

That is not what I was trying to imply. I din't mean to make a new group as far as coding goes, but as far as the community goes. It would be pretty much a group of people with sysop, that are instructed not to use it for anything but taking care of vandals when staff aren't around. just back-ups. That's where the trust part comes in, because you wouldn't be limiting there sysops, but asking and trusting them not to use it unless the time comes when a vandal comes along and there is no staff around. -Kraahlix

Would be extra work for the staff because they would need to watch over this group. Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)} 16:21, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

There could be seperate accounts, say I get hired (imagine that :P - j/k), it could be User:Kraahlix/Protector, that would be the account with sysop, so the contribs would be much easier tracked, and normal edits (regular account) will still show up as unchecked. -Kraahlix

Well what about giving some well-trusted members access to the vandal cleanup account? :/ Seems like that would be simpler... ^{(Contribs!/Sandbox!/Talk!)}

It would be simpler, wouldn't it? Except for the fact that the vandal cleanup account has more than just sysop. As for what Kraahlix said, your example is just a subpage of your userpage. Separate accounts would be too much for us, as in the staff, to look after. Erebus teh n00b^{(Quick-Speak)} 21:08, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

As for the VC thing, I really doubt that would happen, because as far as I know, if one of the protectors messed around with it, the staff ouldn't be able to tell who did it.
Sorry Erebus, I don't see why seperate accounts with sysop would be complicated. Let's say you give them to three people. You can just keep a link to their contribs in your sandbox or even UP, and check them everytime you log back on to the wiki.
Anyway, it seems as if the situation has become less dire recently, but these are all decent ideas to remember if the time ever comes when steps need to be taken, no? -Kraahlix

I actually think giving VC access to some people would be a good idea. If someone does something bad with it, checkuser would let us see who it was and then we could deal with him. Plus it's way easier than giving a bunch of people full sysop when all we really need is for people to be able to ban and clean up after vandals when the staff isn't around. -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)} -- Cheers, Gravitan^{(Talk | Contribs)}

INteresting... Well, let us know what you guys decide please. -Kraahlix

New Pages is Flawwed

I went to Special:Newpages and it had pages from (main) between March and now. Midak, which was a main article created on april first, was not there. Is there a problem with the new page list?--_{Join the}^Wiki-Nui_{Freedom Fighters!}Wikipirate, of The Wiki-Nui Freedom Fighters 20:05, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

Wasn't Midak a redirect before? ^{(Contribs!/Sandbox!/Talk!)}

No, but it was created about a thousand times before. XD ~ThAt'S mR. cHoLiE™ tO yOu! ^(SPARTA!/_{UBs! :O)} 20:20, 3 April 2008 (PDT)

"Recent Changes" Filters

I suggest that, as an additional filter to the "Recent Changes" page, we add "User Pages"/"User Talk" This would help those who use the RC page to keep track of plot developments (like me), and would prevent the spamming caused by the recent "owning" trend. ~Gali11 _Talk 17:33, 4 April 2008 (PDT)

Well, there is the "Invert selection" option, and you can use that with user talk. :) [1] ^{(Contribs!/Sandbox!/Talk!)}

Silver Masks

Should a "Silver Masks" article be created since they are Bionicle canon (although they may have never been formed)? _{Join the}^Wiki-Nui_{Freedom Fighters!}Wikipirate, of The Wiki-Nui Freedom Fighters 13:13, 6 April 2008 (PDT)

Hmm...good idea. We will need a GM approval first though... *hurries to ER* _Bioran ^says Boo!

Unless I'm mistaken, Greg's contradicted himself a great deal in regards to these "Silver Kanohi." Sometimes, he's said it's all of the Noble powes, and at other times that they were just a set thing... It's quite ambiguous. Though, I'm not completely against mentioning them somewhere... Just not an article on them. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 17:03, 10 April 2008 (PDT)

Maybe a section on the Kanohi page? I'm composing a PM to Greg now; I'll track down the various sayings and ask him which is canon. --Master of the Rahkshi 5:09 PM, 4/10

Userpages for New Members

I have noticed a lot lately that new members will use, say, the Rahi template or Makuta template for their userpage instead of the User template. I think there should be a notice on the main page or something that tells new members not to use any template other than the "User" template on their userpage. Or somehow make it so that only that template can be used for userpages. ~Tahu Mata (^Quick-Speak/_Contribs) 06:03, 12 April 2008 (PDT)

Whenever you create a new page, there already is a notice saying only to use the User template for user pages. A mentioning of the Template Use Policy is also included in the Welcome template. Still, though, members continue to add it. There's nothing else we can do... And your suggestion about not letting any other templates be used on user pages is impossible. --~|ET|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 06:57, 12 April 2008 (PDT)